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What are the implications, if any, of brewing beer with water treated by a water softener? I've read lots of conflicting information and am looking for something more scientific and definitive.

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A concern with using softened water, whether all grain or extract, is that the large amount of sodium introduced will give a salty taste to the beer.

On the scientific perspective, Mr Wizard, at BYO writes

Water softeners work by replacing calcium and magnesium ions in water with sodium. Two atoms of sodium are added for every atom of calcium or magnesium removed from the water. This means that if your well water has 100 ppm (mg/L) of calcium and 20 ppm of magnesium that the softened water will contain a whopping 240 ppm of sodium. As far as brewing water is concerned, sodium adds palate fullness and sweetness up to about 100 ppm. At higher concentrations, sodium gives beer a salty flavor.

The real problem with using softened water for brewing is that most homes equipped with water softeners have harder than average water. Thus, the water produced by the softener is in turn very high in sodium. For this reason softened water is often only used for utility water (water for showers, toilets, washing machines and the like). Water piped to sink faucets bypasses the softener. The above example of 100 ppm calcium and 20 ppm magnesium would most likely not warrant a home water softener.

If you can get a city water report or have your water tested, then that may help you decide if you will end up with too much sodium or not after passing it through the softener.

Assuming the water is fairly hard (otherwise it wouldn't need softening), it's better to skip the softener and use the hard water as is. This is fine if you're brewing extract, since the concentrations of hardness causing minerals are not so important, although if your bicarbonate or carbonate levels are over 300ppm then you might consider diluting, although taste the water first after boiling it and see.

If you're all grain brewing, then you'll need the water report, and use that as a basis to determine how much to dilute the water to get the dissolved minerals to acceptable levels. You dilute the water with distilled/deionized/RO water to reduce the overall amount of dissolved solids in the brewing liquor.

With all grain, it's really best to skip the softener, otherwise you'll have the counter-productive arrangement where calcium and magnesium are first removed by the softener and replaced by twice as much sodium, only for the brewer to then add back in more calcium and magnesium, since these are needed in the mash. By diluting your hard water you can end up with a workable water profile without introducing all the unwanted sodium.

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Two considerations not mentioned thus far: 1. pH is important for mashing all-grain. If your pH is low (either with your softened water or with your tap water), you may experience problems. To the best of my knowledge, it is high or low pH that causes all-grain brewers to add minerals or RO water.

  1. You could consider using potassium chloride instead of sodium chloride as your softening salt. KCl is much more expensive, possibly prohibitively depending on your situation. KCl is a nutrient for yeast, shouldn't convey a flavor, and won't cause your beer to be salty. It may affect the pH.

  2. RO systems have become pretty affordable, relatively speaking. For about $200, you could setup an RO system for your drinking water under your kitchen sink. Bear in mind that because an RO system is not 'on-demand' but rather produces clean water via membrane filtration, filling 5g at once will be a slow process.

I'd suggest you should check your pH using some inexpensive strips. My local homebrew store had these for $4. Alkalinity can be checked by a pool store or with a pool test kit. The pH of your soft and hard water will probably determine your strategy more than anything else.

You can find a guide to each mineral on this blog page by Beersmith. It has a lot more information on each mineral than in my post or mdma's. Note one concern regarding carbonate (e.g. calcium carbonate) is the effect on pH.

http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/08/24/brewing-water-hard-or-soft/

From his page:

If carbonate levels are too low, the mash will be too acidic, especially when using darker malts (which have higher acidity). If carbonate is too high, mash efficiency will suffer. Recommended levels are 25-50 mg/l for pale beers and 100-300 mg/l for darker beers. Note that bicarbonates and temporary hardness can be reduced by pre-boiling the water – the precipitate that falls out after boiling is primarily bicarbonate.

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I don't believe this is good advice. Sure, pH is important, but it's not as important as the actual minerals in the water - the wrong minerals in sufficient quantities will totally ruin your beer. While a little potassium is good for the yeast (5ppm) and helps improve hot-break formation, it's not good for the beer in the levels that would be produced in a softener (several hundred ppm). Potassium inhibits the mash enzymes and like sodium will still create the salty taste. Easier to reduce pH of hard water with lactic acid or diluting, than dealing with unwanted ions produced by softening. –  mdma Feb 17 '12 at 10:35
    
Mdma, do you have a softener? I do and have alternated between sodium (for cost) and potassium (to eliminate the sodium) and no softening. Ultimately, I've settled on no softening but I will tell you that potassium softening does not have the adverse health effects of sodium and doesn't convey a salty taste. Re the downvote: I gave him a few pieces of advice that you did not that are valid regardless of our disagreement about hardness: ph is important; RO systems are now affordable; testing for ph and alkalinity can be tested affordably. –  Keith Hoffman Feb 17 '12 at 16:23
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