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I'm completely captivated by www.theelectricbrewery.com, love their directions, and have ordered the parts, so I'll have my experience soon, but what is your experience with selecting hot water heater elements for boiling/heating?

Edit: For anyone looking at this considering a move to electric, use the directions in www.theelectricbrewery.com as much as you can afford to. They ended up spending upwards of $5k on their whole setup, but their directions are really good, and you can make do with some of their setup without using it all. I highly recommend the 5500 watt ultra low density elements. The HLT can simply be plugged in and unplugged when it reaches the desired temperature. The brew kettle, on the other hand, really needs some form of control. Directly plugged in, my boil was extremely vigorous, and on a day when the temperature was below freezing, with a large fan directly on the boil, it was barely maintainable.

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"I'm completely captivated by www.theelectricbrewery.com..." Man, who isn't? That's some serious brewporn there. –  JackSmith Jan 18 '11 at 14:29
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I wouldn't go any hotter than a 4500 watt element for a 15 gallon brew kettle. While the temptation to put a bigger element in to speed up the process is great, consider that once the liquid achieves boil, you will end up with a very localized 'hot spot' right on the element that causes the liquid to boil VIGOROUSLY. That locally hard boil will cause the liquid to want to boil over hard. Then the feedback controller (PID usually) will finally feel some of that heat and shut the element off for too long. The boil will disappear for a moment before the PID decides to turn the element back on.

Early on I had a lot of difficulty in getting a consistent boil that I liked.

One other thing that helps with this...

Make your controller switchable from two pole to one pole on the fly. Once you hit boil, there is no harm in dropping from 220V to 110V. The element will heat just fine and will not be as hot. That helps alleviate some of this problem.

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Didn't the folks in that article he mentioned use 5500? –  sgwill Nov 16 '10 at 18:19
    
Yes, which is what I have purchased. I do not yet have any sort of controller, which I take it is more important than I thought for the brew kettle. I imagine for the hot liquor tank, I'll be alright, since I'm just trying to heat water more conveniently than running in to the stove. –  Mlusby Nov 16 '10 at 19:05
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The advantage of the controller is the ability to 'set it and forget it'. It is nice to set the controller to your desired mash-in water temp and then walk away to grind your malts and take care of other tasks. Whenever you are done and ready to mash-in, you find your water is waiting for you. Good PIDs are pretty cheap. Just make sure to get the right size relay and heat sink. –  thebeav Nov 16 '10 at 19:11
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The formula to determine wattage is as follows:

Gallons * Temp Rise (F)
------------------------------------ * 1000 = Watts Required
372 * heat up time (hours)

So, for a homebrew example of 7 gallons of wort at the beginning of your boil, and desiring to reach boil in 15 minutes, and assuming your wort temperature before boil is 150 degrees F after sparge runnoff:

7 * (212 - 150)
---------------------- * 1000 = X Watts
372 * .25 hours

Or 4666 watts.... or a 4500W element.

You'll have to tweak the formula to account for your starting boil size, typical sparge runnoff temp, and desired time to boil. Another limiting factor is going to be your available amperage to hook up the element. Since watts = amps * voltage, a typical 15 amp household breaker running at 110V will at most power a 1650W element.

The other main concern you'll want to watch out for is watt density of the immersion element. This is the measure of watts per square inch. Sugary water like wort tends to not conduct heat very well, so you want a low watt density to prevent the sugars from scorching. What qualifies as a 'low enough' watt density is something I've yet to figure out, but I suspect you'll be fine with anything at 40 or less watts/sq in. Keeping the wort moving (by stirring) will also mitigate this potential problem.

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Thanks for posting that formula Morgan. I had it in my notebook, but unfortunately, the notebook isn't close at hand. However, I would question why anyone feels the need to go from mash out to boil in fifteen minutes? You have to ask what you are trying to accomplish. Is thirty minutes acceptable? Are you really concerned about fifteen extra minutes spent brewing beer at home? The phrase 'relax, don't worry, enjoy a homebrew' comes to mind. –  thebeav Nov 16 '10 at 19:05
    
@thebeav Do you have any links or more information on your setup? I'd be very interested, as the idea of going all electric is very tempting –  Mlusby Nov 16 '10 at 19:10
    
@thebeav. Yeah, I was just trying to make an example comparable to a typical propane burner setup. I'd probably be ok with 30 minutes myself. You can also start the heating as soon as the sparged wort runnoff is covering the element to reduce the 'perceived' time to boil. Another limiting factor is going to be available amperage at the breaker box to wire in the element. –  Morgan Nov 16 '10 at 19:14
    
@Mlusby Is there a way I can send you the info privately? I don't really want to put a complete design out there. Mostly I am afraid of the liability in giving someone a bad circuit design. While I am confident in my design, I don't really want to be even remotely responsible if my design ends up burning someone's house down or electrocuting them. We are talking about a 50amp 220V circuit design after all. –  thebeav Nov 17 '10 at 14:16
    
Sure thing, my email is mlusby@gmail.com, and thanks! –  Mlusby Nov 17 '10 at 14:32
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